this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, i'm dana bash in washington where the state of our union is hor fied again. we begin with breaking news.

we're expecting a briefing from california authorities any moment on the latest on the search for a mass shooter in the los angeles suburban of monterey park, california. ten people are dead and at least ten more are in the hospital. i want to get straight to natasha chen who is on the scene. natasha, what more can you tell us? >> reporter: dana, we are expecting an update really soon here. so we'll step aside if they begin speaking. we are at a roadblock here a couple blocks away from the business where this happened. what police have told us so far is that last night at 10:22 p.m. they were called to shots fired at the star ballroom dance studio on grar arvey street whe there were lunar festivities going on. they say when police went inside they found additional gunshot victims. there were ten people pronounced dead on the scene and at least

an additional teen people taken to local hospitalsment right now there is very little information about the suspect who left the scene. police are asking people to share information if they have any. to give you some context about this, there was supposed to be a city of monterey park lunar new year festival that would have closed these streets off as well yesterday during the day and today. but this seems to have been festivities taking place in a business that was off on one of the side streets, not the city's official festival. just imagine, there were supposed to be many, many people here celebrating during the most joyous time of the year for this community on the monterey park city website it shows this community is 65% asian. they said this festival that they hold every year typically has brought in 100,000 people per day to these streets to celebrate, but again, this

incident seems to have happened in a business in a dance studio late at night off on one of the side streets a couple blocks away from where we are, just many of the hundreds of celebrations, private and public, happening throughout the metro region this weekend. it's just incredible that so many people are now in mourning when this should have been a moment of celebrating a new year. dana. >> natasha, thank you so much. stick with us. as you mentioned, we're waiting for an update from authorities any moment now. we'll take that to you when they come up to the microphones. meantime i have cnn law enforcement analyst juliette kayyem and andrew mccabe. andrew, let me start with you, a former fbi official and somebody on the ground in situations like this. what are you looking for aside from the obvious which is the suspect? >> so, obviously that's your

first priority, to identify this person and locate them to ensure there's not a continuing danger to the community. sounds like an incredibly chaotic scene, lots and lots of people. police earlier today described showing up at the scene and there were literally they said pouring out of the front doors. it was hard to get inside and see the victims, to identify the first round of victims. obviously you want to begin by conducting as many witness interviews as you can possibly do as fast as you possibly can. so it is likely that the sheriff's department seems to have the kind of jurisdictional control here. we'll bring in as many folks as they can to do that. they'll rely on the help of partners like other police agencies, fbi, federal agencies to talk to as many people as you can. somebody saw something last night that you will be able to use to at least lead to the

identification of this person. then, of course, you want a big team looking at all possible video surveillance feeds from the businesses, from the city, everything in the area to try to pick up vehicles leaving the scene quickly. of course, you'll have a lot of those as people flee the violence. but identifying those vehicles and then identifying who owns them and who was driving them. you can see there's a lot of follow-on work and interviews that need to be done there. >> of course, as we said, first and foremost, you've got to find the shooter, juliet, who is still at large. we should note that president biden has been briefed on the situation. juliet as a former federal homeland security official, what are you looking for here? this sort of complements what andrew was saying you'll have the focused law enforcement effort, who is it and then, of course, what are his motives. you'll have a larger context

here which is, until we know what the motives are, there will be an assumption that this was -- at least a focus that this was a targeted attack on an asian american or an asian festival during the lunar new year. huge parties, huge event, some of them public, some of them private as we've seen in this case. every city is now dealing with this now. this is not just about a particular investigation. mayors and police departments are inevitably assessing their sort of security strategy this morning. there's lots of events throughout the country, and because we live in a time with increased hate crimes towards the asian community, they will be a focus on that. you'll be the very focused law enforcement issue and then the more national context that we are going to be facing in this homeland where celebrations are expected today. >> i should note again, we were told that law enforcement was going to update us at 9:00 a.m.

eastern. we're waiting for them to come, hopefully gathering more information particularly about the suspect. what was noteworthy in the first briefing that they had, andrew, was that they had no way of knowing what this man -- they believe is a man, and that's about it. they have no other identifying information to give to the public to help crowd source, the use a term that juliette used earlier. >> it's a really, really tough situation for the investigators to be in. just reading some of the open source reporting, "the l.a. times" related several witnesses who did identify the person as male and also described the firearm. they thought he was carrying what we refer to as a long gun, a rifle, something larger than a pistol, also described that he was able to quickly reload the

weapon in the middle of the shooting which leads you to believe that it's likely a semi-automatic firing weapon with a replaceable magazine. if that's the case, you probably have spent bullet casings on scene. those are expelled from the weapon as you shoot. so that's a piece of forensic evidence, but that is a long way from actually identifying the shooter. i'm sure all that stuff is being collected and reviewed for potential fingerprints and other identifying data. it's really a long shot at this point. they have a lot of work ahead of them. >> they sure do. i'm going to ask both of you to stand by. as i mentioned, we are expecting this briefing from law enforcement. we were told it was going to start a short while ago. while we wait, we want to talk about another big story today, the white house crisis surrounding classified documents found at president biden's home and former office. it deepened this weekend when

biden's lawyer announced the fbi discovered additional classified materials during a 13-hour search of the president's wilmington home. that search happened on friday. it happened after a white house aide said that biden himself instructed his attorneys to invite the justice department to conduct the search. the president's personal attorney, bob bauer, said the justice department took possession of six items including from some in biden's time in the senate as well as personally handwritten notes from biden's vice presidential years. it's extraordinary for the fbi to search a sitting president's home, raising new questions for the president as he appears to be on track to announce his re-election campaign. i want to talk to top democratic on the judiciary committee in the united states senate, dick durbin. senator, i want to talk about all of that. let's go back to where we started this program which is what we're looking at in california. we are waiting for law enforcement to give us an update. we do have some facts, and one

of those is that ten people at least are dead, another ten injured in monterey park, california. we know that this was during a lunar new year celebration, not much more. what is your reaction? >> well, the same celebrations are taking place here in chicago and across the united states. i'm very concerned for our asian population. i hope we learn more quickly. i hope this is not a hate crime against asian-americans. there have been far too many of those in the recent past. but we're dealing with the tragedy of mass shootings which is sadly a uniquely american experience. it happens over and over and over again, hundreds of times last year, including the shooting at a fourth of july parade in highland park, ill now, taking the lives of children and causing great damage and injury. i would say there's a lot we should do as a nation to make it safer for everyone. one of the first things is to

make gun safety a higher priority. the supreme court has taken a position identifying what they think is a constitutional right which is beyond the realm of reality in my estimation. we are dealing with high-capacity magazines, as might have been the case in california, and dealing with weapons that belong in military arsenals, not in the homes of individuals. this is an issue we will address, should address in the senate judiciary committee. >> we only know there was a firearm used, we don't know what kind. i should say i'm sorry in advance if i have to interrupt you to go to that press conference. while we're waiting i want to turn to the new classified documents that the fbi found at the president's house in delaware. it was a 13-hour search that happened on friday. it's just the latest revelation of the president having classified items that he shouldn't have. you've been in congress for 40 years.

you've handled classified material for a lot of those years, probably most of them. how concerned are you about this? >> well, i'm concerned, there's a standard we follow when it comes to members of congress and classified information. the door to my office is closed. the person that presents the document to me takes it out of a locked briefcase, hands it to me and watches as i read it. when i finish reading it, he takes it back, puts it in the briefcase and leaves the scene. that's how carefully we review these documents. to think that any of them ended up in boxes in storage one place or the other is just unacceptable. having said that, let me make this point clear. joe biden has said from the start, we are going to be totally transparent about this. let the chips fall where they may. i'm going to open my home voluntarily to a search, not the first search, i'm sure, of his offices and home. he has shown total cooperation in this effort. that's a sharp contrast to president trump.

>> i want to -- speaking of former president trump, i want to play something you said last year about the classified documents found at his mar-a-lago resort. >> it's an outrage. it is a literal outrage for the president to take this important information down to his home in florida and then store it in a closet with traffic people back and forth in his resort and golf course, is an outrage. >> is it also an outrage for the current president to have what appears to be multiple classified documents in multiple locations? >> at its heart the issue are the same. those documents should not have been in the personal possession of either joe biden or donald trump, but what happened and followed from it is significantly different. donald trump defied those who knew the documents were in place and ultimately led to involuntarily a court order and a search of his mar-a-lago

hotel/resort to find out how many documents were there. contrast that with joe biden, embarrassed by the situation, as he should have been. he invited the government agencies in to carefully look through all the boxes he had accumulated. it's a much different approach. it is outrageous that either occurred, but the reaction by the former president and the current president could not be in sharper contrast. >> they are. they are very different. no question about that. having said that, you are a politician. you've been around for a while and you understand how these things play out. do you fear that, because of that, the current president has kind of lost the high ground on this notion of classified information being where it shouldn't be? >> well, of course. let's be honest about it. when that information is found, it diminishes the shah ttature y person in possession of them. it's not supposed to happen.

whether it was the fault of a staffer or an attorney, it makes no difference. the elected official bears ultimate responsibility, and we have to worry, since this new group that has taken over control of the house of representatives has promised us endless investigations, confrontations, impeachments and chaos, what's going to happen. i only have one word for those who are dubious as to whether that will happen, and that is benghazi. how long did we spend going through benghazi hearings in the republican-controlled house in the past. now imagine the maga republicans and what they're setting out to do. i'm sure they're going to have investigations to our heart's delight. >> i want to turn to the debt ceiling, sir. the white house insists they're not going to negotiate with republicans who are demanding spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit so america doesn't default on its debt. do you think the president should negotiate? >> no, absolutely not. let's get to the bottom line

here. those that are posing for holy pictures as budget balancers, the maga republicans, should note one important fact. almost 25% of all of the national debt accumulated over the history of the united states, 230 years, was accumulated during the four years of donald trump. so the notion that there is some partisan holy position that they're taking and that they're going to fight this battle as a matter of principle, when they enacted tax cuts for the healthiest people of america during the trump administration, they added dramatically to the national debt which we're now facing. having done that, they need to face the responsibility of paying for it. that's what the debt limit is about. if we play games with this, if we delay this, if we have short-term extensions to the national debt, we run the very risk of a recession in this economy. millions of americans out of work and interest rates going even phier, denying people an opportunity to buy a home or a

car in this economy will be stalled. we shouldn't play games with the national debt. >> when joe biden was vice president, i'm sure you remember, back in 2011 he was the lead negotiator on negotiations for spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. you're saying you think it's different because of what happened during the trump years? >> i think it's different not house of representatives, 15 ballots, dana, you were there. you saw it, or at least witnessed it on television. 15 ballots to choose the speaker, and he gave the authority to each member of the house to initiate a vote of no confidence on a daily basis. this is a house of representatives under the control of the maga republicans a . >> before you go, you are senate judiciary chairman.

you saw what happened at the court. they announced this week they were unable to determine who leaked the draft decision overturning roe v. wade last year. clerks and employees had to sign sworn affidavits saying they didn't leak the draft opinion. the justices -- neither the justices nor their spouses had to sign affidavits. do you believe that that was a mis mistake? should they have to do so to figure out where the leak came from? >> listen, the universe of people who are suspects in this leak of an opinion of the supreme court is really a small universe. it includes the justices and their families if they had access to this opinion which i assume some of them did. they should have gone into at least the position of assertions by each one of the justices as to what they did or did not do when it came to these opinions. i find it hard to imagine that this small group of people who had access to this opinion, they

couldn't come up with more information. >> are you going to try in your capacity as judiciary chair? >> no, i don't think this is an area where we can go in with any kind of force and make for a inning chaed result. >> senate judiciary chairman dick durbin, thank you so much. i should say the senate whip. thank you so much for joining me this morning. appreciate it. >> thanks, dana. my next guest is senate democrat who wants to negotiate on the debt ceiling. can joe manchin make a deal? he'll be here next. plus, ukraine pleads for more weapons as russia gears up for a new push. the chair of the house foreign relations committee will be here. so it's decided, we'll p park even deeper into parking spaces so people think they're open. surprise. [ laughs ] [ horn honks, muffled talking ] -can't hear you, jer. -sorry.

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welcome back to "state of the union." we're waiting for a press conference on the monterey park shooting. that will be at 11:00 a.m. stay with us for that. right now we're going to talk about the nation's fiscal

future. treasury secretary janet yellen is warning about global economic catastrophe if congress refuses to raise the debt ceiling. republicans are demanding negotiations over future spending and the white house is refusing to negotiate, even as one senate democrat says maybe they should. here with me now is that democratic senator, joe manchin of west virginia. >> good to be with you. >> i do want to ask about that. very quickly, what we're seeing in california, we don't have a lot of details about the suspect or even what kind of gun he had, but you have been pushing for more than a decade for comprehensive universal background checks. >> just gun sense. i come from a gun society in west virginia. i've had guns all my life. all caution is being thrown out the window, if you will. gun sense has to come back, a responsibility we all have and every state has that responsibility. i would like to see us look at it in a comprehensive way.

background checks, there's nothing wrong with them. i've had to have a background check every time i've bought a gun. the people i know have no problem with that whatsoever. you don't want irresponsible people or criminals to get it in their hands. my hearts and prayers go out to the families of the victims. it's just awful. let's turn to the debt ceiling. the white house says they want congress to pass a clean debt ceiling increase. no negotiations with republicans at all. is that a mistake? >> i think it's a mistake because we have to negotiate. this is a democracy that we have. we have a two-party system, if you will. we should be able to talk and find out where our differences are. if they're irreconcilable, you have to move on from there and let the people make their decisions. using the debt ceiling and holding it hostage hasn't worked in the past. anyone wants to look at what happened 2/11, 2/13 -- >> so who is holding it hostage?

>> first of all, in my state of west virginia, 60% of the people retired right now live with social security and medicare. scare the bejesus out of them to think there are going to be cuts. that's not going to happen. take that off the board right now. look at ways we can get rid of wasteful spending. set a target. do something. most states have balanced budgets. every week when i was governor we had to sit down and agree upon adjustments to cuts so we ended fiscal year in a balance or a surplus. that doesn't happen. there's no checks and balances. >> it sounds like you would be okay with some cuts in spending -- >> i think basically it's wasteful spend. my goodness, $31.4 trillion and we throw caution to the wind and to blame the republicans, the republicans to blame the democrats who is at fault. everybody is at fault. we don't have a process. i've been there 12 years. no budget. >> just to be clear, you think

the white house should come to the table and talk to republicans about some cuts in spending in exchange for raising the debt ceiling? >> at the time vice president joe biden did just that. >> you just heard dick durbin, the number two senate democratic saying times are different now. >> we just respectfully disagree. every american has to live within a budget. if they don't, they're in trouble financially. every business that's successful has to live in a budget. every state has to live within a budget. shouldn't the federal government have some guard rails to say, hey, guys, we're over reaching here and you're overspending. pick your priorities. that's all. the priorities are the security of our country, opportunities for people, taking care of the most vulnerable and make sure people who have earned it through their social security and medicare are protected. >> let's talk about social security and medicare. as part of these negotiations over the debt ceiling, you were suggesting a new committee to come up with ways to make medicare and social security

more financially -- >> secured. >> -- stable. i want to be clear there. are you talking about any cuts to benefits? >> no cuts to anybody that's receiving their benefits, no adjustments to that. they earned it. they paid into it. take that off the table. but everyone is using that as a leverage. >> receiving their benefits now? >> you want to look at everything -- >> now or the future? >> look at people, where are they in their working age? the bottom line is social security and medicare basically is running out of cash because we stop at a certain level when people pay into fica. >> you're open to cuts in benefits for future recipients? >> i'm open to -- the easiest thing is raise the cap. >> raise the age? >> no, no. forget the age. i think it's 150, 154,000, you quit paying. in west virginia, the median income is much lower than that, they're maying 100% of the tax. wealthy areas are paying a small

percentage. >> your colleague bernie sanders said the last thing we need is a committee to propose cuts to social security. >> i agree with him. that's what they're using it and weaponizing it. can't you find in government where you can be more efficient, more prudent with the taxpayers' money and quit wasting it. we all talk about waste, fraud and abuse. that's an easy thing to do. no one looks at it. >> will you work with your bipartisan friends? >> i'll work with anybody. >> to create this commission. >> i'm not saying create another commission. if kevin mccarthy comes in and says this is out of control, and they negotiate. the white house says what's your recommendation? can we put basically something on the floor that we'll get to vote on it. let the people decide and see if we're willing to get our house in order. >> senator, i want to ask you about the revelation from last night that the fbi found six additional classified documents at president biden's residence in wilmington, delaware, this time from his time as vice

president and his time in the senate. earlier this week, he defended his handling of the situation. he said, quote, there's no there there. do you agree? >> well, i don't know. i can tell you one thing. it's unbelievable how this can happen. it's totally irresponsible and who's at fault? putting it in a political kangaroo court is not going to help. what should be done is exactly what merrick garland did, a special counsel. some people are taking sides, it was more egregious than what president trump did. maybe that's true. i'm willing to find out from the people looking at it, finding all these different documents and looking at the classifications, and if it's harmful, could have been harmful or was it harmful and make determinations. >> should this affect his decision to run for re-election? >> he has to make -- that's a personal decision with him and his family. >> i want to ask about davos, switzerland. >> sure. >> you just returned from the world economic forum.

you got an earful from european leaders. >> i did. >> you did. they are upset, for our audience to understand why, they're upset about what parts of the inflation reduction act that you worked on, came up with, without a lot of people knowing about it. specifically they think you're hurting the european union because of some of the incentives like credits for electric vehicles that european leaders think are hurting and will hurt european experts. what were those conversations like? >> they were very informative and very intense. my thing was to explain the purpose of the act was to make the united states of america energy independent. the biden administration touted that as an environmental bill. there's a lot in there that will give us new technology for the future. the other path for ten years is make sure we use all our fossil fuel and extract in a responsible way and use it in the cleanest fashion with new

technology, better and cleaner than anywhere in the world and making sure we don't have to depend on other parts of the world like iran. >> so what did you say to european leaders who say you're hurting our economy? >> we took two different approaches. your countries have taken an approach where we call the stick and the carrot. you took the stick. you wanted cap and trade. you wanted to have carbon tax. i never did feel that was productive whatsoever except all you're doing is punishing the people who are paying higher prices for products that are made because carbon is what we have right now and we haven't transitioned the another technology. where that, we used the incentive. the whole world is coming -- i've never seen anything like it, the amount of jobs opportunities in america for the next ten years is unbelievable. >> speaking of switzerland, you and your colleague, kyrsten sinema shared a moment on stage in switzerland, high-fiving each other over your support for the senate filibuster. as you know, democratic

congressman ruben gallego is thinking about running against her in the united states senator for the united states senate. if sin tore sinema runs for re-election, would you support her? >> she truly is, she stood call when it was time to stand tall, protecting the institution. basically, the only thing i've said -- i've been voting for 40 years, i think people know i'm in the middle and a centrist. but the bottom line was on keir stin, she's going to be a formidable candidate. >> will you support her? >> yes. she brings that independent spirit. >> you will support her even if she runs against a democratic candidates? >> it's not about democrats and republicans. get the best person willing to speak their mind. >> in your view that's her? >> let me tell you one thing about that. in 2018, 2019 was beating on the republican delegation in the senate about get rid of the fill bust ter, we don't need it.

get things done. that's the only check and balance you have on the executive branch of government. only two of us didn't change. we stayed the same. i wish her well. >> thank you so much, senator. appreciate you coming in. >> thank you. what do house republicans plan to do with their new power? the incoming house foreign affairs chairman joins me next. that detail... will be big. try the new toasted baguettes frfrom paner. one dollar delivery fee on our app.

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just look around. this digital age we're living in, it's pretty unbelievable. problem is, not everyone's fully living in it. nobody should have to take a class or fill out a medical form on public wifi with a screen the size of your hand. home internet shouldn't be a luxury. everyone should have it and now a lot more people can. so let's go. the digital age is waiting. just look around. this digital age we're living in, it's pretty unbelievable. problem is, not everyone's fully living in it. nobody should have to take a class or fill out a medical form on public wifi

with a screen the size of your hand. home internet shouldn't be a luxury. everyone should have it and now a lot more people can. so let's go. the digital age is waiting. welcome back to "state of the union." as ukraine braces for an expected russian offensive this spring, western allies split over how to best help. here at home it's not clear house republicans will back any more ukraine support. here with me now is republican congressman michael mccaul of texas. he's the new chairman of the house foreign affairs committee. thank you so much for joining me. appreciate it. >> thanks, dana. >> lots to talk about with congress and ukraine.

i first want to ask you about what we're seeing in monterey park, california. in your home state of texas, there have been a lot of mass shootings, uvalde, el paso, san jose. you voted know on gun legislation last summer that got a lot of bipartisan vote. would you support any gun control measures in this congress? >> i was a count terrorism federal prosecutor, i was chair of homeland security. chicago has probably some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, yet the highest murder rate. the way i look at it is we need the intelligence, we need information sharing, we need to connect the dots. every one of these cases, and i guarantee you'll see it in this one as well, the shooter had warning signs along the way. we just didn't respond or pick it up. in my judgment, we can create a system. i introduced a bill that we can

take publish information on the internet, have a algorithm to stop the threat before it happens. that is a smart approach rather than violating second amendment rights. so, look, i hope we can get that passed. we're seeing this movie way too many times. >> yeah, we are. >> it's absolutely tragic. >> what about a red flag law? federal red flag law? >> in a way what i'm talking about are red flags. chicago, illinois has red flags. >> you keep bringing up chicago, which i understand. but the guns in chicago come in from other places because there are a patchwork of laws across the country, there's no federal law. >> right. again, we stop -- i saw it when i chaired homeland, so many terror attacks because we got the threat information in advance and we stopped it. we can use the same formula here domestically, although it's a little different. the constitution didn't apply overseas, but we can do that

here and stop these threats before they happen. >> let's talk about russia and russia's war on ukraine. ukraine is still having for more help, as you well know. you had pretty strong words about germany, because germany so far is saying no to transferring its tanks to ukraine. you called it a cowardly decision. it seems like we're at a pretty key moment in this war. what do you think the biden administration should do differently with regard to this particular standoff? >> the nato secretary-general stoltenberg called it a pivotal moment. i think we cannot slow-walk the weapons. the "wall street journal" had a great ed toward when they said there's no moral or strategic case forgiving ukraine just enough weapons to bleed for months but not for victory. i've a proponent of let's give them what they need.

when they do, they win. the tanks are vitally important. why? we know with the new general putin put in place they're going to start a major offensive on the eastern flank in the donbas. we know that's going to happen. the tanks can help stop that. germany will not put one tank in. remember germany, nord stream 2 pipeline. they won't put a tank in until we give assurances we're going to put our abrams in. if that did, that would unleash so many leopard tanks. there are ten other nations look for germany to sign off on the tanks they have given them. that would be a game-changer. in dick durbin decision, the tact tall missiles, they can reach cripple yes to take out the iranian drones. >> are you arguing for the u.s. sending abrams tanks to ukraine? >> 100%. we don't have to send very much. all we have to do is send enough to unleash what germany has and

what the ten other countries in nato has. nato has the share the burden. one thing that came out of ramstein is that they'll share the burden. >> there's no concern that that could be an escalation in the eyes of russia? >> they said that with stingers, they said that with javelins, himars. i think mr. putin is the provocative one here. he escalated this. he invaded a sovereign territory, aggressively unprovoked. >> mr. chairman, a lot of members of your congress, federal republicans, want to stop giving money to ukraine. should ukraine be worried that the money is going to stop coming from the u.s.? >> no, no. i think there's enough support on both sides of the aisle, majority of the democratic party, majority of the republican. national security chairman like myself support this. we have to educate our members. i don't think they quite understand what is at stake.

if ukraine falls, chairman chi in china is going to invade. north korea is putting artillery into russia. they have to understand the case. they talk about the border. not mutually exclusive at all. we can do both. we're a great country. we can walk and chew gum at the same time. >> let's talk about some things happening on the home front, specifically the revelation last night that the fbi found six more classified documents at president biden's private home in delaware, and that was after a 13-hour search, one that he invited to get to the bottom of it. what is your reaction, and do you feel satisfied now that the fbi has what it needs and has everything? >> i don't know. because every day it seems like they're finding more documents. i think what's snant is the

former federal prosecutors, no longer are they relying on the attorneys to comply, although it was con senseal, the search. the fact is the fbi conducted the search, not his attorneys. that really ratchets the investigation up. >> as you said, they invited the fbi to do so. >> they did. i think that's true. the dni, director of national intelligence won't give congress any information about the documents. i hear it pertains to foreign adversaries. i don't know. the chinese gave a $30 million contribution to university of pennsylvania at the same time the biden center is being stood up. is there a connection? i'm sending a letter out tomorrow to the state department, secretary blinken asking for what communications, what contacts were made, what were these documents? were chinese officials at the biden center? the fact that they're in the garage with a corvette and in a home where hunter biden is recovering, and he took a picture on his laptop of

important documents, i just think, dana, there are a lot of unanswered questions. >> just for the record, university of pennsylvania said the chinese money did not go to the biden center. we don't have any evidence of hunter biden being related to this at all. >> but they gave a thousand talons programs -- >> i have to ask you. we're almost out of time. the debt ceiling. you voted in the past to raise the debt ceiling, in fact three times since 2017. why not do it now? >> i think if you don't you have -- kevin mccarthy made it very clear, i'm ready to sit down with president biden today to talk about a reasonable debt ceiling which would mean meaningful spending cuts. the fact is, we should be having these conversations right now. we know that secretary yellen -- she can put this off until june. june is going to be the target

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>> welcome back to "state of the union." that was joe biden this week before another set of classified documents were found during an fbi search on friday of his home in delaware. my panel joins me now. thanks for coming in. former congressman jones, you were in the united states congress, obviously. you've dealt with classified documents. what do you make of this? >> classified documents have to remain in classified settings. i suspect this was an oversight, especially given the president's cooperation with law enforcement. and this is in stark contrast with the situation with donald trump, who has obstructed every step of the way, to the point where federal law enforcement officers had to go and physically take documents that the president refused repeatedly to produce. >> the thing i worry about in the post trump era is we lower the bar for everything. this is now multiple locations,

five different batches that have been found with joe biden. if i had done this, i would have been in prison. yes, he's cooperating, but this could have exposed vital national security secrets and put the country in danger. >> you heard dick durbin tell me this is bad. >> it is. look, i suspect it also happens a lot more often than we ever know about. yes, david, because technically, when i was in the clinton administration, the president's schedule is technically a top secret document. so i think people, and i suspect in previous administrations, documents may have ended up in places they should not have been. certainly, it's clear that this is an issue that needs to be dealt with. again, i want us to stay close to the facts here in that it matters greatly that you have a former president who doesn't want to give the documents back, who says, you know, he thinks they're cool, i believe he said

this week or last week. that is very different than finding these document and the president himself is saying we're going to cooperate fully and do everything we can to get to the bottom of this. >> i'll say i'll reserve judgments until both special counsels are done with their investigations. but i think both cases kind of can stand on their own. if donald trump has classified documents in his residence, that's bad. but if joe biden does, that's equally as bad. you can't say oh, some staffer put them there. we don't know. let's see what the special counsel finds. we continue to find drip, drip, drip. joe biden is so indignant, this is what bothers me. oh, they were fine when somebody asked him, oh, they were locked with my corvette. why can't he just say, i screwed up? i made a mistake. they're locked in a filing cabinet next to his corvette.

>> we don't know how they got there? [ overlapping speakers ] >> the optics are tough, because this is the administration that ran on the adults are back in charge. clearly, he didn't know how to properly handle and store classified documents. >> you said you would have gone to prison, and i don't know that's true. there is a standard of intentionality. >> she would have been fired. >> until such time as we learn something new, these are different situations. >> that is a fair point. there is a question that needs to be raised about the chain of custody of classified documents. we have seen it with secretary clinton, former president trump and now joe biden, who mishandled classified information. and somehow we just don't know

about it until years after the fact? there is a big problem here. >> he haddockments when he was a senator. that's not last week. >> we don't know what it is. >> i will just say this -- it's bad. >> the difference also is, donald trump is not an adult in charge. for trump, this plays into -- and this is not the only thing he's being investigated on -- that's the problem and one of the big differences between trump and joe biden. joe biden has -- >> the big thing here is merrick garland, because he's doomed at this point. >> he has two special counsels. >> it will be very difficult for him politically to move forward with trump and not do something -- >> the department of justice is not supposed to consider politics. [ laughter ]

>> you're talking about former president trump, the only one to formally announce that he wants to be president again. we heard from somebody else who might want to be president again, and that is his former ambassador to the u.n., nikki haley. listen so what she said this week. >> when you're looking at a run for president, you look at two things. first, does the current situation push for new leadership? the second question is, am i that person that can be that new leader? yes, we need to go in a new direction, and can i be that leader? yes, i think i can be that leader. >> the most common thing i hear to people across the country is they want next generation leadership. i think she's very formidable. i think she would be smart to throw her hat in the ring. the last thing any american wants to see is trump versus biden again. i hope more republicans get into the race, and i think she would be a strong candidate. >> i agree with that. i think no one is sitting around

saying it isn't time for new leadership on both sides of the aisle. we were just talking in the green room, my good friend, josh shapiro, i think democrats have a strong bench, republicans have a strong bench and people are eager for that type of leadership. that's why we do these races. nikki haley, maybe she's strong, maybe not. remember when scott walker was going to be president of the united states? >> you were one of the youngest members of congress, what are your views on a new generation of leadership? >> it's important. democrats do a far worse job than republicans of featuring new talent. thankfully, because of the changes in the media environment, you have seen younger members like katie porter and others penetrate the echo system and get attention in congress. we saw some of those people

during the 15 ballots for speakership of the house, folks who had a chance to nominate their respective leaders. >> let's talk about the democratic side of the aisle, namely the president of the united states. what is your sense on timing here? >> i think they have said we should expect to hear something after the state of the union. so i would expect that to be pretty early in the year. there's no secret, he's made it clear that he's running. he has a great record to run on. i think ultimately that is going to matter most to people when they look at what's happening in the economy, the way he's turned around the economy, jobs. >> what do you worry about the most in the republican field? >> i never like to say, because, you know, there was a time when we thought there's no way donald trump will be president. so i don't think that we can guess. i do think, though, on the republican side it's clear. i mean, look at how trump this week, you know, criticizing religious conservatives for not

endorsing him. it's going to be ugly, no question, on the republican side. >> it's going to be ugly on the democratic side too, depending on what happens here. >> we'll see about that. always back to the documents, david. thank you all so much for joining me this morning. and thank you for spending your sunday morning with us. the news continue right now. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and ampld the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you from davos, switzerland. today on the program, ukraine's president, volodymyr zelenskyy. his nation's wife was part of practically every discussion in davos this week. and i had a conversation with the man himself about the state of war and the potential for peace.